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March 5
Why In The Hell is Timbaland Hosting A Fundraiser For Hilary Clinton?
Posted by Brian
I just don’t get it!! First, I am watching CNN the other day and all of the “Black Leaders” are talking about they are not supporting Obama.
Now Timbaland is having a fundraiser to raise money for Hilary Clinton with the price being $1,000 per person.
The apocalypse is upon us! We have a viable, talented black man running to be President and someone who shows the promise of ending some of the corruption of the office, but people are choosing Hilary.
I just don’t get it. Am I missing something here?
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I don’t think of it that way. Lord knows I want to have O. run and win. But is he really ready? Has black society just been waiting for the first chance we can to get us a black prez. that we want to support a man that “might” not be ready yet. I still know that I will vote for him in the primary and I wish that others will do the same. But it is a more likely chance that we’ll have a woman prez before we get a black prez. That’s just my opinion.
I don’t think Obama is ready yet. He is a freshman senator, who, although chrismatic and all, has not been “in the trenches” so to speak long enough in Washington. Hillary has been in the White House, knows all the pitfalls there are, knows how to roll with the big dogs in DC, knows how to play the game in DC. Obama, no matter how bright and intelligent he is, has not been seasoned enough. I say he should sit this one out and run in 2012.
I think our people our over thinking this situation. Experience matters,but experience isn’t everything. Look at the trail of presidents leading up to our current one. What has all their experience offered to us. People aren’t looking at this from the right perspective. I think people, especially, our people, are doin too much and will sadly, miss out on a great opportunity to see some real change come for this entire country.
I know Obama hasn’t taken part in the black plight here in America, but neither has Hilary Clinton for that matter. What are we waiting for people? This guy may not come in the package that we may have hoped, but the great opportunity he symbolizes for us as a nation is tremendous!!! It frightens me that we as a people can’t see that. Not because we expect him to hand out favorites to blacks, that’s ridiculous. We want whoever is in office to personify integrity and strong leadership. But why would we think Barack isn’t that person? What face would it give to black men to see a man of integrity, a leader, with the same colored skin as them? Do you down play the confidence that that very message has given to little white boys, as generation after generation of White Anglo Saxon Protestant Presidents sat in office? Do you realize what opportunity you’d be passing up here? I think we’re really afraid of Obama failing and making us look bad as a people. Shame on you all!!! For once (since the days of King) we finally have a chance to stand for something worth standing for as a people, and we have the nerve to fear failing?!! The blood of our ancestors bought us this opportunity; you don’t have the luxury you think you do to sit and capitulate on this decision!! You owe to those who have honored your lives by giving there’s. I know white blood was shed too, but it’s just common sense to show honor at home first! Don’t think for one second, reconciliation will truly be achieved by putting someone else in office, Hilary or otherwise. I like Hilary, she’s a powerful woman, but this isn’t about Hilary’s potential as a president vs. Obama’s to me. I think they’re both great candidates. Obama stands for more though, and I’d be a dog gone fool not to acknowledge that!!! You people must not cry and get on your knees before our creator in prayer for your black brothers and sisters, the ones depressed by oppression…the ones whose reality has be warped by a negative self image that has been handed down to them generation after generation. Yeah I celebrate those who make it out the ghettos, but I cry more for those still there. Victims of circumstance-blinded by hatred, pain, and yes black people racial discrimination!!! I don’t forget the prayers of my great leaders, like Martin Luther King. I have respect for my ancestry, and I have kept their hope alive in my heart, I’ve prayed to God for an opportunity to continue working on the ground they plowed on. I’m so sick of you uncle Tom’s-who are blessed enough to be out of the grasp of the ghetto, but have the nerve to forget that you didn’t make it out alone!!! Remember even on the plantations, some of the slaves got to live in the master’s house—but that didn’t make them free men!!! Well maybe that’s all the freedom you see for yourself, (a little economic and materialistic gain), and if so then get out of my way, because I have a God given vision of my freedom, and I’m not really free until my brothers and sisters are standing next to me. Those who don’t want to come, don’t have to, but don’t hinder the rest of us with your shackled thinking!!! Don’t you realize this opportunity (Obama) in itself is a gift?!! You don’t look a gift horse in the mouth, or do you? Can’t you see this is the gift in a nutshell, whether we fail or succeed, we’re stronger together? Together being the operative word!! What is wrong with you people, have we become so separated as a group, (by the strategy of racism) that we see ourselves as separate entities, islands, and not as one people anymore? Have we as a people become so blind or just so insanely stupid? Some of you may be offended by some of my statements, but I say well be offended and speak up, at least that tells me you have a pulse!!! I just want us to think for ourselves about we really want!!! The point is we (black people) have been robbed of nationalism every since we were brought here on those slave ships. To say that is no longer the point, is to spit in the face of every one of our ancestors who believed it was worth it for them to sacrifice their lives for us to be respected and recognized “credibly” as a people in this country! Our nationalism should be at the forefront of our decisions, until it is accomplished and stabilized–believe me it’s at the forefront of every white who votes to promote the kind of country he or she wants to live in. What do we really want? Throw away your fears of confrontation and failure and ask yourselves truthfully. Don’t we want the threat of racism to be confronted and conquered here once and for all! Don’t we want to put an end to the plague of self-hatred amongst our children and our people? I’m not saying this will happen over night with Obama, but I’m saying the choice should be clear that Obama is taking our country in the direction it needs to go! Now Obama may not have ancestry here, but as far as I am concerned we are here because of him and he is here because of us. This is not happenstance; this is such a great opportunity people!!! We need each other. Don’t downplay the importance of this! This is the one time in a long time our people could act truly like a nation within a nation. Support your own and stand united! The reason we don’t stand strong as a people is because we don’t stand together, and for a long time we haven’t had anything really to stand for! This is something to stand for black people! Get your heads out of your hind parts and use some good ol fashion common sense! Think of what it will do for our young black men alone, if we learn to stand behind one of our own as a leader. New kid on the block or not, Obama is clearly a natural born leader–who can dispute that fact? Don’t single him out because he doesn’t come with the political resume we’d expect. He offers so much more, and the sad thing is we’ve been robbed of our nationalism so long we can’t even see when we need to be moving as one mind, one people, one nation. Reconciliation may not seem to be the destination of this path, but believe me reconciliation of the races is exactly where this will help us to go. First, it’s necessary for us to obtain the same standing as our white brothers before we can truly begin to work together. Otherwise the relationship always remains as a slave/master, superior/inferior one—and that’s not what I want to be reconciled back to. We can’t truly want that as a people, can we? Blacks as individuals have experienced some glimpses of personal successes and achievements, but we can’t think that good enough! Okay so you by yourself have overcome poverty, well wonderful, but have you been tricked into thinking poverty was your biggest enemy? Stop being foolish! So we look for local black leaders to help bring funding into our communities to bring about this change or that change, when all along, as hard as they might try to represent us, they are part of a system that works against us! A few blacks in power here and there is nothing in comparison to the United States of America recognizing the validity and competence of a black man as a leader for our entire county!! Building the black nation through uniting our thoughts and actions will put us on the road of reconstruction to build this country as a whole. Poverty needs to be conquered, but the system of racism must be address first! Hatred is our biggest enemy, and it’s not going to go away by sticking our heads in the ground and pretending it doesn’t exist. Preaching racial superiority isn’t the answer either, but obtaining racial, economic and political equality is the answer!!! Violence and blood shed aren’t the way we have to go about it anymore people, the blood of our ancestors has already been spilled, don’t let it be in vain!!! All we have to do now is stand up!! Have we forgotten, it was our ancestors who scarified their lives to make this nation what it is (the economic prosperity this nation has enjoyed was supplied on the backs of our great great great great grandparents)? Have we forgotten that it was our families that were torn apart and separated by slavery, poverty, violence, etc? Have we forgotten that its our children who are facing a world in which the only value they see tied to their skin is in the over commercialization of the rap and music industry or sports? Have we forgotten that capital hill and Washington need a political enema, to cleanse them of all the corruption, empty promises, fake agendas, etc.? Have we forgotten who we are as a people? Have we subsided with things as the norm and do we no longer hold the dream of true freedom in our hearts, do we think true freedom is achieved individually? Do we think wealth and success alone define freedom? We’re not truly free until we can learn to rise and fall, strive, learn, grow together…without someone else dictating that for us. Tell me, all you who won’t vote for Barack Obama, have we ever been given that chance in this country? Why would you forfeit that chance now?
I truly struggle with the argument of “Is he ready.” The answer is yes and no. No because he has never served as President, but neither has anyone else in the race. Yes because he has a clear vision of where this country is and where it needs to go. Yes because he he has not been in politics long enough to be as corrupt as the others. Yes because his short time in politics has been like no other this country has seen. Yes because at the very least he can do no worst than George Bush.
When you have to ask if Barack Obama is “ready,” I would ask if George Bush was ready and if you are happy with his results.
sad to say, i’m proud and happy to even finally see an african american man RUNNING for president, much rather win the election. I’m also happy and sad to say, I’m just as proud to finally see a woman RUNNING for president, much rather win as well. i.e. times are a changing, its just too bad it took this long. Now as an African American woman, I’m faced to face with which should be considered a hard decision. That is if I hadn’t been following and appreciating Hill’s moves since we first layed eyes on her standing next to her man, Bill. My vote’s with Clinton, but my respect is to them both.
I have to agree with keli im glad that a black man is running for president but he’s a man and for the last four hundred years or more men has ran this country its about time a woman get in office and show this country how the job is done right.
Cherelle and Keli, you are making the tragic mistake of being distracted with sideline issues. This election looks like its about two people who represent two groups who’ve suffered from inequality in this country–but in reality it’s only about one group. Before making this a woman’s issue, let’s think about some things: Since slavery began in this country, a plan to divide and seperate black families was put in place. I won’t go into detail, but if you don’t believe me then get a copy of the willie lynch document. When President Ronald Regan got into office, he put a stop to so many minorities getting aid to go to college, the highest group this effected?–the black male. Government funded programs to help women get specialized skills and trainging along with the pecking order of affirmitve action inititives allowed our black women to find a job faster than the black man, degrading the fathers of our children, causing a rift between the black man and women by placing the woman as the bread winner and the black man as the sperm doner-again I encourage you to read the willie lynch document if you think this wasn’t strategic. The black man now finding value soley or at best primarily through the means of his sexual prowess, is promoted and even at times glamorized by the media as the typical promiscuous,absentee,dead beat,womanizing incarcerated criminal father who can’t be depended upon or be respected by his family who needs him. The black mans rage is only seen as barbaric and Animalistic, his rebellous attempts to defy society and authority, his self hatred and mistrust even for the black woman, all dipicted, purposely from a narrow veiw, so that the two victims involved will never see their true enemy, never see the source of their dissention and hatred. So black women pick up their cross and black men carry theirs, and because the black woman seems to be making more progress without the black man she is now adapting to the European thought of women liberation, from the control of men. Black woman don’t be so foolish. We were Queens, and equally respected amongst our men before our families were torn apart by hatred and racism. Our familiy ties may not be perfect, but at one time they were at least considered sacred. Discrimination of women here in America is a direct result of the hatred white men promoted on other races trickling back into their own homes, basically the chicken coming home to roost. You can practice violence against others and see people as inferior without eventually causing you to disrepect yourself and your own. White women being mistread and degraded and treated like cattle is fueled by the same mentality that disrespects any group of people and veiws them as inferior. But that is not the most noteworthy cause at hand in this upcoming Presidential election. Don’t get caught off gaurd with the smoke screen, please!
the media portrait black men as the typical promiscuous,absentee,dead beat,womanizing incarcerated criminal father because thats what most of them are and not only that but black men have the same opportunities as the we the black women do, the black men just dont take it when its given to them
JUstMYwOrD …r u even a woman !!!! Black men wouldnt be seen as sperm donors if well half of them werent out here making babies w/this woman and the next woman. I live in a city that is 88% AA and most of the men I know or meet have a t least 2 kids by 2 dif women. None of them are married or trying to be…just calling as it’s seen. Dont go blaming everyone else for how you look, Have you see a rap video lately or been out in the city, nothing but white tee shirt , do rag wearing assholes. All the good black men get seen as weak and suckas from these so called “thugs in our community and wonder why they are left behind by more successful women in their life.
I like Obama and Clinton, why should we have to vote black just because we are black… I cant stand the mayor of my city because he is a ghetto fool and if there was a white (or any other race) opponent i would have voted for him ! I think Hillary is shrewd enough to battle any male to come her way, besides this is our chance to have Bill back !
Citygurl…in response to your question…yes I am a woman. A beautiful God-fearing black woman at that. All of the issues that you and Cherrelle are focusing on are real issues, I just don’t agree with the conclusions you’ve drawn, nor the perspectives you’ve gathered them from. I haven’t drawn my conclusions from the media or the hood,(which I have lived most of my life) because that wouldn’t allow me to see things from a broader perspective. And I don’t advocate for our men making babies they don’t help to raise, or selling drugs, killing each other, degrading woman etc., but I do understand what’s at the root of it. Like true love, hatred has a very true source too, you can’t spread it unless you’ve received it and believed what was given to you. Racism doesn’t have to have an “in your face” approach anymore, because the seeds of hatred were planted by evil men hundreds of years ago, and ignorance has become the major tool it uses to stay in existence. The enemy has no face anymore, it’s not a white man’s face or a black man’s face–its the face of indifference. Everyone just focuses on their immediate circle, their own, and people truly believe they can preserve the good for themselves if they can “just make it”. Every man has become an island, so that no one has to be accountable to those they choose not to be accountable to. Sadly we think that’s what this country was supposed to be founded upon, but we’re wrong. Our country was supposed to be accountable to the true and living God, it hasn’t been, nor will it be until it faces the reality of where it turned away from God. Start with the massacre of the Native Americans and the inhumane enslavement of our people if you’re not sure where to look. You can’t avoid being accountable to others, no matter how lazy or selfish you are in trying to do it. Human beings were created to affect each other. Your immediate circle should be secure, but you should also know the impact you could have on your community and the community on your immediate circle. If you don’t take care of a problem, but simply try to build a wall to block you from the problem, pretty soon the problem’s going to grow larger than your wall, and then there goes your security. We have to see further down the road than just ourselves or our children, the slaves who scarified their lives did, leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. did, but we’re not willing to complete the work! That’s insulting, disrespectful and just plain old sad! What I’m talking about may sound like a racial or national revolution, but its really more spiritual than people think. For anyone who knows anything about the Bible, isn’t sacrificial love as given to us by Christ Jesus the way we’ve been shown to overcome evil? People (especially our people) talk a good game about believing in God, but then what is it we believe about Him–your beliefs should materialize and reflect the one you believe in, shouldn’t they? All I can say is God help me to know You for real–by your Love!!! Isn’t that what many slaves and black leaders demonstrated as well? Our people don’t know who they are anymore, and that’s why they don’t stand up for what’s right, they don’t even know how to fight collectively. We haven’t even been able to agree upon who our God is, hence the Muslim movement. You all can say what you want to about other races, but other governments, even this (American) government has sworn their beliefs to one religion. Our government is falling apart and why do you think that is? Then take a look at other people like Africans, African Americans,(even Arabs) for that matter who have very little or no nationalism anymore, because it has been (or is being) raped and stolen and ripped apart by outsiders trying to dictate who we are, and from us not knowing who we really are in the first place. It just pains me to see it that’s all-so don’t get offended please, if I speak from my heart-cause it’s truly from my heart that I feel for my people. I see self hatred in our black communities everyday, it’s enough to make you want to loose all hope for our people, but I refuse to, because I know that’s what I’m expected to do. I know there are others, maybe even just a handful, but still others who understand what I’m saying and feel the same way too. I’ve been paying attention to the source (of hatred) that’s all, I want to make myself aware of the people and the system that fosters it, because I’m determined to live my life without spreading it, God help me. And that’s all I’m asking anyone else to do, before you go trying to judge a situation or cast a vote. Know the game your playing–our people don’t really know the game, that’s why we’re so separated in our thinking, and to me, that makes me feel more hopeless than looking at the conditions of our families and our neighborhoods, because if our thinking doesn’t become united, change may still be a long way off. But God is greater than us, so my final hope rests in that fact. However, in respect to the condition of our people, I can’t even judge myself accurately by just looking at myself, I have to take it back further, search my roots, ya dig? So why would I judge anything without looking at the root of a thing? And why would I trust sources like our media, to be my primary source of influence? Rationally speaking I wouldn’t, but sadly, that is what many black men and women are doing, and because people are not searchers for the truth, our schools are dishing out watered down versions (at best) of HIStory leaving many gaping wholes in the understanding of our black children as to who we are, what has happened to us, why, and what we are to do about it. I have always believed that people are responsible for themselves, but often time get frustrated at the way we blur our responsibilities. To make the mistake of only looking to yourself to find the answers for yourself is insanely tragic. Responsibility is handed down by someone greater than yourself, who do we see ourselves as being accountable to? No longer a nation, but still a mighty group of people, who do we now answer to? Just ourselves? That is ridiculous! Who has passed down the beliefs we nurture and pass along? Do you even know, or even care to ask? Someone else is responsible too, and must be accountable to someone else as well. You have to gain a full understanding in order to overcome any problem, and the biggest lie we’ve told ourselves in response to the issues of our communities, is that we’ve done this to ourselves, by ourselves. That is only half true, without the other half we’ll keep punishing ourselves and each other, spreading hatred, you get my point. There’s more to the story than that, and it’s a critical part, which we don’t even look at anymore. So I try to take things back to square one before stating my viewpoint. Obviously, neither one of you picked up a copy of the Willie Lynch document (which isn’t square one, by the way-but its a start), therefore my viewpoints on racism and the wedge it’s forged between the black man and woman will understandably be null and void–maybe one day I’ll have an audience that really wants to hear, but nevertheless, between now and then, my words aren’t any less true.
I still say that we as women should support hilary, it doesn’t matter whether the man is black white brown blue or green a man is a man. Men have always since the beginning of time thought and treated women as second best as if we are not equal to men. I dont see color i see man vs woman and as a woman im going to support my own kind and as a woman I think you should look at it like that also.
Well I won’t go around in circles with you about it, you are entitled to feel how you feel and believe what you like. In saying that, I am as well, and what I feel, I’ve given enough basis to support. I love God’s way, not man’s way, and I’m just for a world that looks the way God intended it, and that, my sister, has never been man vs. women, white vs. black, etc. All I’m saying is if we don’t start looking at where the root of hatred has been planted, we’ll just keep spreading it, and if that’s the case how can we ever really know the power of Love?
It sounds to me like you’re contradicting yourself
It sounds to me like you’re contradicting youself
No contradictions…people think when you stand for wrong these days, that you have hate in your heart, but that’s not true. The only reason why what I say sound contradictory is because most people don’t even know what to stand for anymore–sadly most people don’t care. That’s why politicians and society can fool the masses with non-issues like gay marriges, so that people won’t stay focused on the real issues of discrimination, the issues that effecting the poor, the fatherless, elderly, etc. I know my people make up a large number of that group, but I’ve already said enough about it and if you haven’t heard me this far, then my message just isn’t for you.
By the way, does anyone know what happened to Brian-Open Entrance? He hasn’t posted anything on here since March 12th…hope everything is still good with you man.
“cherelle Says:
the media portrait black men as the typical promiscuous,absentee,dead beat,womanizing incarcerated criminal father because thats what most of them are and not only that but black men have the same opportunities as the we the black women do, the black men just dont take it when its given to them”
With that attitude it’s no wonder that there seem to be fewer and fewer (stable) Black couples around these days. More and more Black women seem to take the stereotype that you hold as the truth and because of that we are told by our own sisters that we aren’t good enough AND the stereotypes that us Black men are given about Black women (money hungry, loose, lots of kids from different men) we both look elsewhere.
CityGurl said: “Have you see a rap video lately or been out in the city, nothing but white tee shirt , do rag wearing assholes. All the good black men get seen as weak and suckas from these so called “thugs in our community and wonder why they are left behind by more successful women in their life.”
First of all, basing your views on Black men from rap videos would be like me saying that all Black women are easy, gold-digging ho’s because I saw the last Lil’ Wayne video. Not smart thinking. Maybe you don’t see the good Black men around because not every one of them is wearing a 3-piece suit. Some of them may be out wearing a do-rag and a white tee because it’s comfortable on a hot day…
With that attitude it’s no wonder that there seem to be fewer and fewer (stable) Black couples around these days. More and more Black women seem to take the stereotype that you hold as the truth and because of that we are told by our own sisters that we aren’t good enough AND the stereotypes that us Black men are given about Black women (money hungry, loose, lots of kids from different men) we both look elsewhere.
Im not buying in to the stereotype I didnt say all black men are like that i said a lot of them are like that. I know that there are some good brother still out there i’ve never met one but i know they are out there. but back to the stereotypes that one about women with lots of kids from different men is also about SOME black men.my point is there wouldn’t be a stereotype if there wasnt some kind of truth to it.
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